3 weeks in and not one gram lost??

I have dramatically changed my eating habits and exercise regime for the last weeks and have not dropped at all in weight whch confuses me.

I am 28yrs old, weigh 83kgs and doing the BMR(or rmr cant remember its name) my intake at level assuming i want to maintain my weight is 2070 calories per day and no exercise.

My average input for the last 2 weeks has been around 1200-1500 calories a day. I swim 3 days a week for 30mins and do gym for 3-4 days a week with cardio for 15-20mins and 30mins wieghts sessions.

I dont expect to lose weight dramatically but I would have thought with being very careful with my diet - reducing carbs, drinking water, eating low fat high protein and tracking my food intake - I could at least lose 1 kg in 3 weeks?
 
I'm in the same boat as you...i have been going for 4 weeks w/no drop in weight from eating and exercising.

I obviously have to step it up a notch.
 
Fist off, 3 weeks is wayyy too early to get discouraged. Weight loss is not a linear function, sometimes in the process of losing fat, it will seem like you aren't losing, then one week you step on the scale and you're down 3 pounds. So don't sweat, especially after 3 weeks.

With that said, your calorie intake is way way way too low. You're swimming, doing cardio, weights...and only eating 1200-1500 cals a day!? Your body is so starved for nutrients it probably doesn't want to shred an ounce of fat. You weight 183 pounds or so, so I think a better ballpark calorie intake is 2200 cals or maybe even a little more. It's better to create a deficit by burning calories, rather than by dropping cals from the diet.

Also, what do you eat, what do you do with weights...details?
 
I have taken a routine that suits my style here - I found after doing this workout I felt like I had a proper workout.

I cant post site yet but its from muscle and strngt dot com. Its a 3 day split program and focuses on high reps 3x15 to 3x20 and low rest time between exercies and reps. I only been doing this for 1 week.

As for food I am around 40% carbs 40% protein and rest fats which most are mono or polyunsaturated. I have stopped soda, chocolate and will treat myself to choc once a week small portion.

Most of the cars I take in are from vegetables and fruit but I do have rye bread in morning and usually rice for dinner I have cut white potatoes.
 
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So you're saying that my body's metabolism is slowed down too much?



Fist off, 3 weeks is wayyy too early to get discouraged. Weight loss is not a linear function, sometimes in the process of losing fat, it will seem like you aren't losing, then one week you step on the scale and you're down 3 pounds. So don't sweat, especially after 3 weeks.

With that said, your calorie intake is way way way too low. You're swimming, doing cardio, weights...and only eating 1200-1500 cals a day!? Your body is so starved for nutrients it probably doesn't want to shred an ounce of fat. You weight 183 pounds or so, so I think a better ballpark calorie intake is 2200 cals or maybe even a little more. It's better to create a deficit by burning calories, rather than by dropping cals from the diet.

Also, what do you eat, what do you do with weights...details?
 
So you're saying that my body's metabolism is slowed down too much?

He's saying that you have a severe imbalance in terms of the calories you are taking in each day and the calories you are burning each day with normal activities and any exercising also do. You are not providing your body with the nutrients that are essential to keeping you healthy and making it harder to lose weight.

He's suggesting that you create a moderate deficit by eating a normal caloric intake of approximately 2200 calories and and then working out in addition to your normal daily activities to create a deficit and help burn off fat.
 
I am taking vitamin and mineral supplements as well...?

He's saying that you have a severe imbalance in terms of the calories you are taking in each day and the calories you are burning each day with normal activities and any exercising also do. You are not providing your body with the nutrients that are essential to keeping you healthy and making it harder to lose weight.

He's suggesting that you create a moderate deficit by eating a normal caloric intake of approximately 2200 calories and and then working out in addition to your normal daily activities to create a deficit and help burn off fat.
 
I am taking vitamin and mineral supplements as well...?

as you should be to help supplement what you are not getting in your food intake.

But at ~183 lbs and being as physically active as you are (swimming, lifting. and other cardio 3-4 times a week), taking in only 1200-1500 calories is just not enough to be healthy and lose weight.

You already stated that your BMR is approximately 2070 cal/day so adding in a 30 min swim (~300 calories), lifting and an additional 20 minutes of cardio, you're probably closer to 2500 calories or more as your BMR to maintain weight.

So essentially you are taking in 1/2 the calories you need on those days you work out...and its just not how you will lose weight.
 
Yeah, spatak speaks the truth. No worries, a lot of people have the misconception that cutting calories super low is the best choice. But the truth is that your can really shoot yourself in the foot.

Also, one note on your workout plan. High reps might have their place, but you should consider doing high weight, low reps. The reason for this is simple. You want your body to drop weight, specifically FAT. If you are regularly (3 x a week) lifting heavy weights (think 5 x 5 set/rep scheme for example) your body is going to say...hmm, we are constantly being put under pressure to lift heavy, but at the same time, we need to come up with some extra energy from somewhere...how about these fat stores...

I know that's simplistic, but it has worked for many. Lift heavy, swim, run, do whatever cardio you like, eat in a SAFE deficit (spatak and myself have covered that) and you can and will lose fat.
 
And although there is nothing wrong with your nutrition plan, you might want to try upping the fats and lowering the carbs a little bit. Also, do you take a fish oil supplement?
 
Hi mazstar, welcome to the forum. I have a few questions for you :-

- Losing weight is not the same as losing fat. You can build muscle and burn fat with an adequate training regimen/diet to match.
- You did not state your body fat %. Do you have belly fat/love handles?
- Concentrate on eating close to your maintenance whilst doing FBW (Full Body Workouts) and cardio on alternate days. I would not go with the 15-20 reps you have, I would rather lift heavy but lower reps (especially on a deficit diet).
 
Tribal said it best.

Just because you're not losing weight doesn't mean you're not losing fat. Muscle has a greater mass than fat, therefore, you could very well be losing fat and increasing muscle mass without losing 1gm.

Don't look at the scale. Look in the mirror ;)
 
Tribal said it best.

Just because you're not losing weight doesn't mean you're not losing fat. Muscle has a greater mass than fat, therefore, you could very well be losing fat and increasing muscle mass without losing 1gm.

Don't look at the scale. Look in the mirror
;)

Yes, the mirror always tells the truth. Our body retains a lot of water when consuming carbs so, try reducing your carbs a bit, from 200gr that you are now to 100-120gr. I don't think that the reason you are not losing weight is because you are building muscle though. In 3 weeks you can't build muscle mass to balance out fat loss, it's impossible.
 
I'm going to second what everyone else has been saying. Very low caloric intake. Yes, you may be doing a lot of cardio, however that is not the key to dropping the body fat. Your muscles will react if you train them right, and doing the 3 set of 15-20 reps is going to provide the the adaptations you're looking for. Also, and I'm suprised no one commented on this, a recent debate that was going on in here was a diet over 30% carbs was not going to ellicit weight loss. I'll have to search around for that thread.

As stated, Full body workouts are key, cardio through interval training is key, and proper nutrition is key.

I have taken a routine that suits my style here

Your style is to lose weight (or fat). If you are not meeting this personal goal, then you should revise your current routine.

what is your current routine? are you doing free-weight or machines? when doing cardio, are you keeping track of your heart rate? what kinds of meals do you have (three meals, or more than three in smaller portions throughout the day)?

We don't want you to get discouraged, and you should never give up. Even with what you are doing, you are doing your body a great service, and we are all here to help you out with achieving those weight loss goals of yours.

keep us posted!
 
a recent debate that was going on in here was a diet over 30% carbs was not going to ellicit weight loss. I'll have to search around for that thread.

I'm a firm believer that the ultimate determining factor is total calories. It's great to have a plan for your macro breakdown for overall health, but when it comes to weight loss, all that matters in the end is calories in vs. calories out. I lost 40 lbs eating 50-60% carbs...not because I'm a low protein guy, I just have a high metabolism and I still get way more protein than I even need with my large caloric intake
 
The problem is 2070 calories is your BMR, which is BASAL Metabolic Rate. Basal = NO PHYSICAL ACTIVITY being done.

In other words, if you were in a coma, your IV would be delivering about 2,000 calories a day.
Assuming you walk around and occasionally flail your arms about, your caloric needs are higher than 2,070. You need to use an activity modified based on your lifestyle.

Say you're pretty sedentary at work...a desk job somewhere. that's about a 1.3-1.4 modifier... or 2070 * 1.3 = 2691 calories to maintain your current weight.

Knock 5-10% off that number, and that's a good place to start for fat loss.

Instead, you've shocked your system by drastically under-eating, and doing a ton of exercise.

Re-tool the diet/calorie intake. I'd go with 5% under your calculated maintenance, and then let your physical activity make up the rest of the calorie deficit.

do keep in mind that if you weren't exercising before, and if you're lifting weights now, you'll put on some muscle while also losing fat, which is going to make the scale move slowly...thus checking out your body in a mirror is a good way to see changes.

give that a month though..nothing happens over night. definitely don't use the results from The Biggest Loser as any kind of guideline for what you should expect.
 
I'm a firm believer that the ultimate determining factor is total calories. It's great to have a plan for your macro breakdown for overall health, but when it comes to weight loss, all that matters in the end is calories in vs. calories out. I lost 40 lbs eating 50-60% carbs...not because I'm a low protein guy, I just have a high metabolism and I still get way more protein than I even need with my large caloric intake

I totally agree with you on that one. I'm on the "Go Carbs" side of the debate. I was just giving the OP with other suggestions he may want to look into.
 
I have dramatically changed my eating habits and exercise regime for the last weeks and have not dropped at all in weight whch confuses me.

Do you have a diet/nutrition and training log that displays your calorie consumption, etc, for these last few weeks/months?

If so, you have the "super-duper power-thumper" to theoretically "thump" this plateau into submission. It will scoop the friggen poop, and put power back into your mental soup!

YES BABY!......THIS ROCKS.

When fat-loss death walks in.

You are the single-unit fat burning machine.

And, the data you keep rumbles the thunder in close distance and your goal "breathes" timeless subsistence.

Giving resistance the least persistence in your personal existence.

Though we are technically put together the same, we don't "react" to diet and exercise the same. Each can be different.

If you kept track of your calorie consumption coupled with a macro-nutrients, you will have a list of the approximated grams of nutrients (the big three), and a calorie history to:

Make an educated change to break this plateau.

There is no guess work involved (if you were honest) in the log.

Most of us go into diet and fitness, having an idea, but not really knowing (for sure) how our body are going to respond, and this data is priceless in my opinion in providing a base attempt of getting "rid of the unknowns" and "make them known......to you".

For example, at first when one "freshly" begins, a simple adjustment in calories (with activities considered) can be all it takes to facilitate some fat loss.

As time passes (and the body metabolically adjusts) to your new diet and fitness history some changes are are going to logically occur.

Additionally, it is logical that if one is weight training (and hasn't in the past or hasn't in many, many months), that it is possible the dreaded scale will not show any change in overall body weight (but will in the mirror).

Is this a logical thought? Yes it is. The body can react rather strong at first (when new) on adding strength/muscle, and potentially fat loss. And, if both of these are corresponding at the same time: The scale reflects this truth--because this process "can" "off-set" one another. Likewise, one can be more than the other, and the scale can go up (and fat loss may have still occurred)

In addition, Fat loss can slow over time, and one (for example) could see that there approximated carb intake was during this period, and adjust it "down" a tad, and this alone (without reducing calories further) could restart fat loss (this is just one example among many).

Thus revealing the absolute POWER in one's personal data. This example (if one's mind is open) should reveal the power of "combo manipulation" (with calories, and macro nutrients) from their own personal data in creating an educated plan of action to combat problems.

You have to learn yourself in this diet and fitness training process.

For example, you could be carb sensitive and not know it. I am NOT saying you are (I am using this as an example), I am just saying with some (trying to lose fat tissue weight this could be true).

And, though restricting carbs in evening can be beneficial; however, if the data you kept specifies you took in (for example) 200 grams of carbs (in a 24 hour day approximately) even with not eating at night along with a calorie restriction (of a few weeks), and you hit a plateau in fat tissue loss. It is "possible" lowering the carbs slightly....and reasonable (for some) may solicit additional changes the dieter is after.

Of course this can depend on the personal data and history, but think of it as an example, manipulation one could do.

After all.....this is a "learn as you go" process. Is it not?

Some can lose good fat tissue, with a straight line calorie deficit according to their personal particulars, others it can take a calorie restriction and a nutrient manipulation combination (such as keeping carbs at certain levels). With the previous aforementioned sentence in mind, it can also take a change in their exercise plan to assist to be more effective (for them).

Learning YOU is the KEY.

And you do this with DATA....about yourself, as you continue on your journey.


I am 28yrs old, weigh 83kgs and doing the BMR(or rmr cant remember its name) my intake at level assuming i want to maintain my weight is 2070 calories per day and no exercise.

83KG is that about 183 pounds? How tall are you?

This base is "fairly" close. (without not knowing your hgt).

My average input for the last 2 weeks has been around 1200-1500 calories a day. I swim 3 days a week for 30mins and do gym for 3-4 days a week with cardio for 15-20mins and 30mins wieghts sessions.

IMO, and let me make this absolutely clear: You should NEVER eat below your base need of calories. NEVER.

One manipulates calories "in-between" the base need and the calorie need with activities included. This is your common manipulation play ground, IMO. My base is 1600c, I have an old an aging metabolism, and I NEVER at below this when I lost my 30+ pounds.

Let me explain something to you. Whether you eat or not, the body "always" has food around to use.

Its your tissue (your flesh).

Likewise, if you restrict your calories to sub-base, you are not doing yourself any "optimal" favors toward your efforts in the weight room.

Sure your weight is going to drop (especially when starting--fresh), but eating below Base Level is "severely" starving the body, and the body will "metabolically shift" (or adjust to your consumption trend) by its design to stay alive, fat loss will slow, and you muscle loss (even with a plan to maintain in the weight room) also will increase--given enough time on severe calorie restrictions.

Eventually, this slow down will also be effected as the body begins to pull (from muscle and fat stores)--as eventually it cannot overcome a SEVERE calorie deficit------in the end (think concentration camps).

My point is you want to try to optimize your muscle potential in an already suboptimal environment (the calorie restriction) by manipulating your calories (and nutrition) "between" your base calorie need and your need in calories when exercises is considered; this is where you work with your current problem (not to leave out nutrient timing, and manipulation of the big three nutrients as previously mentioned).

Increasing your calories above your base need, but slightly below your activity level of calories, just may be the answer to your problem (there are far too many "unknowns" about you at the present to be sure, however), but from what I currently, know: Your calories are too low, and have been at this level for several weeks.

I don't if you have a "pick there", "nibble there", "sample over-here", and you do not account for these calories--sort of problem, and consuming more than you think.

This could be a "long enough" trend "for you" to allow for a metabolic shift, and by increasing your calories, and prevent your body from "freaking out", to more healthy and reasonable level, just may jump start your loss again.

If doesn't than re-read my comment reference what I quoted first, and "read between the lines": Educate, manipulate, give it time, repeat, as necessary.

There is no novel on Mazstar, you have to write it.

You have to learn your personal science from educating yourself on the available data that (science and researchers) gave us to work with and from, and find the proper blend that works for you.

There is no "book on you, specifically", but their are guidelines you can apply to work from--since our "human design premise" are basically the same.


Let me tell you something. I know one thing for absolute certainty.

In the summer of 2009, I will be over 170 (around 172), lean, sub 8% BF, and you can bet the data history I keep on my self is the absolute "cornerstone" on the reason: Why. Seriously, I have more biological problems than you (assuming you are healthy like me), I am well over 20 years older (which can make my metabolism slower), my natural testosterone likewise "can be" lower than yours due to age. In other words, I am successful--even with these natural biological factors.

Call it obsession.

Call it too much.

Ask me, I will tell you: I dont give a f#CK. :)

As I ride off in the sunset with my goal possessed......I will remain personally obsessed.........Got that?

I am not staring into space, dumb founded.

I am data grounded.

This "assists" me in make my diet and fitness "well-rounded"

Ya......think you can deal with your age related "Prime biological factors".....brotha?

Then don't operate into the dark.

Ensure you track your calories and nutrients as you move forward.

Do it painstakingly accurate.

Ensure you keep a fitness journal and record what you do.

Make sure the intensity and progression is increasing at "regular and continues intervals". Know the concepts. Know what to do when a plateau develops in training (by the way, it will come--eventually).

Education on this subject = dealing with it.

Education on this subject + dealing with it + adapting information from your diet and fitness journal = solving it.

Educate yourself on carbohydrates, educate yourself on "some" of the biological functions of the body as it relates to fat loss and muscle gain-continually.

As you do, you will learn how to modify certain things you read and tailor certain information to yourself to adjust and overcome obstacles......as the form in front of you.

Build the tools to assist you.

You build the foundation of no surrender.

And, you do this by going on personal offense to provide yourself the best goal defense.


Best regards,


Chillen
 
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i know its been debated before but 30% carbs would be ideal for someone who is not workin out and dieting, you need carbs for energy to do cardio and lifting or else your destroy yourself after a bout a week. Another thing i dont like about real low carb diets are that people need to make lifestyle changes not try to do something that would be impossible to stick to or the weight will just come back
 
i know its been debated before but 30% carbs would be ideal for someone who is not workin out and dieting, you need carbs for energy to do cardio and lifting or else your destroy yourself after a bout a week. Another thing i dont like about real low carb diets are that people need to make lifestyle changes not try to do something that would be impossible to stick to or the weight will just come back

Absolutely agree with the lifestyle change. However, there are a select few who can manipulate carbs within their lifestyle change (knowing what to expect: i.e. water loss, and if no carbing it, its associated effects), and solicit additional fat loss. And, then have a plan of action "after finished" (knowing what to expect: i.e. water gain), and continue successfully just through knowing "their self" in the diet/nutrition sense and acting accordingly.


Oh, one more thaaaang:


Manipulating Diet + Manipulating Fitness Training = KING of SUPPLEMENTS.


I wasnt looking to build a tremendous amount of muscle, rather a very lean "muscular medium frame" from:

What to do......well.....here is one way....he, he

1. Building a knowledge base to support my goal

a. Diet: laws of energy balance, understanding the calorie, understanding the macronutrients, etc, etc. Manipulating the calories and/or macronutrients.

Knowing how to manipulate diet in accordance to applicable goal

b. Fitness training: Analyzing the types of exercises for each body part and how to properly perform them. Calorie affects on length of exercise, types of exercises, etc, etc.

Knowing how to manipulate fitness training in accordance to applicable goal

2. On going and never ending quest for knowledge within diet and fitness AND PERSONAL MOTIVATION.


Peace and happiness to you!




Best regards,


Chillen
 
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