Diet plan help !

Hello,

Im posting for some help on a diet plan at the same time as doing abit of body workouts, but the diet between the two are different so a mixed diet, or a specialised diet written out would be nice.

My only downside, which sometimes I can get away with is that I can only consume maybe 4 meals a day...

7.20 - Wake up
7.50 - Breakfast
8.20 - College
11.00 - 11.20 - A break, usually contains a small snack, but obviously I can change this into a larger meal
12.30 - 1.15 - Lunch
3.45 - Back from college
7.00 - Last meal of day


Now if that is abit of a wierd time for eating meals spaced into one day, then I dont know how i'll do it, but Im sure I can do something with those 3 meals + 1 snack and change that snack into a good portion considering it into a meal.

My goal is to probably loose around 10-13 % BF unless im not 100% happy with my outcome, lower or higher, however it comes.
My main focus is loosing fat from my chest, stomach and thighs.
I hear that a cross trainer does these selected areas, but if there is simple excersises I could do until I get one later on in the year, then that would be good.

Id like a real deficit in calories, eat healthier, my goal isnt just to loose weight, but to become healthier.

Status
- 16
- 6 ft
- Weighing around 13 stone, equivalent to about 182 pounds

Im also wanting to build muscle when I finally buy my bench, barbell kit and dumbells, then followed onto a mutli-gym.
In the long run, I want to loose enough weight quickly, have a nice base to start building onto, and then bulk out :)

So if someone could give me good food ideas for each meal, that would be great, food in specific would be nice, then If I cant eat or refuse to eat a certain thing I'll whine on another post on this thread

(im a fussy man when it comes to foods, but if I have to, i'll face the facts and eat with a clip over my nose)

Thanks for reading.
 
David.......I will post here in a little bit....Just wanted to acknowledge the thread.....You take advice well, young man! :)

ROCK ON!


Be back in a bit

I will edit this post......(Done)
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Hello,

Im posting for some help on a diet plan at the same time as doing abit of body workouts, but the diet between the two are different so a mixed diet, or a specialised diet written out would be nice.

The best service I can give to you is provide the fundelmental tools to enable you to construct your own diet plan. I will answer any and all questions you have to see that you have the information necessary to build a sound diet plan and configure your caloric daily needs.


Caloric Needs:

David: It is AGREED you must determine your caloric NEED to plant the weight loss SEED and you can determine the SPEED; you will SUCCEED; INDEED PROCEED and spawn the new BREED!




My only downside, which sometimes I can get away with is that I can only consume maybe 4 meals a day...


7.20 - Wake up
7.50 - Breakfast
8.20 - College
11.00 - 11.20 - A break, usually contains a small snack, but obviously I can change this into a larger meal
12.30 - 1.15 - Lunch
3.45 - Back from college
7.00 - Last meal of day

Now if that is abit of a wierd time for eating meals spaced into one day, then I dont know how i'll do it, but Im sure I can do something with those 3 meals + 1 snack and change that snack into a good portion considering it into a meal.


Dont be overly concerned if you can only consume 4 meals per day. This will work fine. The most IMPORTANT thing to concern yourself with when weight loss dieting at the end of a 24 hour period is the: Caloric balance. At the end of the day, if you are in a deficit caloric balance (and everything considered equal), you will lose bodily tissue. It WILL NOT MATTER if you consume 12 meals or 3 meals in one day. Do not stress over a minor issue, my friend.

My goal is to probably loose around 10-13 % BF unless im not 100% happy with my outcome, lower or higher, however it comes.
My main focus is loosing fat from my chest, stomach and thighs.
I hear that a cross trainer does these selected areas, but if there is simple excersises I could do until I get one later on in the year, then that would be good


David one CANNOT spot reduce fat of the human body. Losing fat is sort of like draining a pool: The shallower end tends to drain before the larger deeper end.

The almighty calorie is: the Fat and Muscle Burner and the Fat and Muscle Gainer-- when all the smoke clears.

For example:

We all need good rations of protein carbs, and fats, in our diet....I am not implying otherwise, I am just displaying the power of the calorie:


You want to gain weight, you consume proper ratios of protein, carbs, and fat, but you are in a caloric restriction (and past newness gains), is one going to gain weight with all that protien......--->NOPE!.........Not gonna happen.


The same things happens on the reverse side:

You want to GAIN weight......and consume adequate protein, carbs and fats, however, unknown to you, you made a mistake or werent watching your calories close enough in conjunction with your training, and you balanced the caloric equation........are you gaining weight with the proper ratios of protein, carbs or fats......--->NOPE......not gonna happen.



However, the difference lies in knowing whether you are in a surplus or deficit and THEN allowing the energy deficit or energy surplus AND the nutrients to go to work for you--------this basic mentality will serve you a platter of success.


The bottom LINE.......>>>>>>>>>>>>>is the calorie.

Take a branding iron.......burn this into your SKULL! Make it a scar BABY!


I will not allow you to sleep for days........yelling ROCK ON!........With this simple and basic understanding.........UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!



Id like a real deficit in calories, eat healthier, my goal isnt just to loose weight, but to become healthier.

Status
- 16
- 6 ft
- Weighing around 13 stone, equivalent to about 182 pounds

Here is the fundelmental and basic understanding you need to know using Benedict as the staple caloric approximator:


Some Basic information that can lead you to fat tissue loss

Calorie calculation is an approximation science, remember this. Through your journey WATCH, LOOK, and LISTEN, to your body..........it will TELL YOU if your doing the correct things or combination of things!


○ Change your eating habits (below are some suggestion examples)

○ Substitute an artificial sweetener of your choice in the replace of refined white sugar (Refrain from Refined Sugar like you would a disease)

○ Try eating 5 to 6 smaller meals during the day (but you can eat less frequently)

○ Balance your meals out during the day so in one day you have a mix of protein, carbohydrate and good fats

○ Drink lots of water during the day and before, during and after exercise

○ Simple Carb Examples: Grapefruit, Watermelon, Cantaloupe, Strawberries, Oranges, Apples, Pineapple, etc

○ Complex Carb Examples: Whole Wheat Pita Bread, Oatmeal, Long Grain Brown Rice, Brown Pasta, Malto-Meal (Plain, whole wheat),etc

○ Good Protein Examples: White or Dark Tuna, Chicken Breast, Lean Turkey, Lean Ham, Very lean Beef, Quality Whey Protein Powder,, etc

○ Good Fats Examples: Natural Peanut Butter, Various Nuts, Flax Seed, Fish Oils.

This is what you need to do:

This an approximation science, but you can narrow it down very close, if your meticulous in your vision when looking at the data.

Tweak your desire and passion by educating yourself on the basic requirements of losing fat tissue. With your age, sex, height, and weight, in mind, find your approximated base calorie needs (this is organ function, breathing, or bodily function needs). One can use the Benedict Formula.

Calculate your BMR:

The Harris Benedict equation determines calorie needs for men or woman as follows:

• It calculates your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) calorie requirements, based on your height, weight, age and gender.

• It increases your BMR calorie needs by taking into account the number of calories you burn through activities such as exercise.

This gives you your total calorie requirement or approximated Maintenance Line (I call it the MT Line).

Step One : Calculate your BMR with the following formula:

•Women: BMR = 655 + (4.35 x weight in pounds) + (4.7 x height in inches) - (4.7 x age in years)
•Men: BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) + (12.7 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

Step Two : In order to incorporate activity into your daily caloric needs, do the following calculation:

•If you are sedentary : BMR x 1.2
•If you are lightly active: BMR x 1.375
•If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 1.55
•If you are very active (You exercise daily.): BMR x 1.725
•If you are extra active (You do hard labor or are in athletic training.): BMR x 1.9

Create a Calorie Deficit:

In order to lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit. It is easier and healthier to cut back your calorie intake a little bit at a time.

Every 3,500 calories is equivalent to approximated 1 pound.

If you cut back 500 calories a day, you will lose approximated 1 pound per week. (not necessarily all fat)

If you exercise to burn off 500 calories a day you will also lose approximately 1 pound per week.

The calorie deficit margin is just an example:

Apply this knowledge by backing off the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a -500c per day, for about 1 week. Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes). Note the time, and the approximated wgt.
Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT-500c).

This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you already know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy (not optimal because your in deficit) to fuel your training and exercising schedule.

At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean). To further assist you, I want to tell you that for every approximated caloric deficit of (-3500c), one could lose 1lb of fat tissue. (though some may not all be fat tissue, this information is for another question, and isn't presently suited here).

Now, in this example you were calculating a -500c per day deficit. There needs to be -3500c to lose approximated 1lbs of fat. Now lets do some basic math. -500cX7=-3500c. With all things considered equal, and you were meticulous and faithful on the diet, you should have been CLOSE to losing at least one pound of tissue in the week.

If this didn't happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own.

Based upon the FEEDBACK your body is giving you, ask yourself how faithful you were on the diet, AND how faithful in training (whether you kept the training schedule (if you didn't, this would effect the caloric equation, no?!), AND how accurate you figured in your activities caloric wise.........but, you have the base information to begin making adjustments.

The calorie SURPLUS margin is just an example: (attempt to gain weight)

Apply this knowledge by going OVER the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a +500c per day, for about 1 week. Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes). Note the time, and the approximated wgt.
Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT+500c).

This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you already know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy (not optimal because your in deficit) to fuel your training and exercising schedule.

At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean).

If this didn't happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own



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The Nutrients are an essential factor in the diet; however, the law of energy balance within the DIET, is the ultimate KING while the Nutrients can play in some decisions made within the body.

Do yourself a favor, figure out your MT line, adjust off of this, eat well balanced spaced out meals (DONT EVER starve YOURSELF), AND listen to your body for the results.

While you are trying to figure out your body, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK, I promise. You have to learn to MASTER yourself to become the master of weight loss for YOURSELF.
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"Let your inner vision cultivate your ultimate exterior expression" —Chillen

"The strongest inner feeling that prevails will result in the exterior expression" –Chillen

"Your cultivation and manifestation of thought accumulated within your reasoning will determine your outcome"----Chillen
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Deficit dieting is the fat burner, and EVERYTHING follows after this. The deficit can be implemented through the diet or exercise can cause the deficit when you know your MT line reference. Without a adequate deficit, cardio WILL NOT burn fat off you. This is WHY I don't partake in the cardio debates of heart rate, etc........because the bottom line is the deficit diet....period, debate OVER. If you stick to the basic: The Law of energy balance, and tip this to the negative side of the equation, you will be on your way, with everything considered equal and your healthy.

Losing fat is sort of like draining a pool. It usually leaves the shallow end first before the larger end starts to diminish. But, fat and/or tissue is lost all over when deficit dieting.

If you want to lose overall body fat, get your diet in order, eat clean, learn what your approximate MT reference line is according to activities (and back off a HEALTHY margin), and perform overall weight training, and of course, include cardio (cardio DOES have its benefits other than burning calories, carbs, fat, ect).

The most effective beginning is to look at your diet, and make a diet journal in my opinion, THEN work in a training program around this diet.

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You must have "some obsession".

Have controlled obsession (and obsession to a---Point, is necessary), but some lose this obsession once they learn the amount of work it requires. There eyes then widen and then the obsession then pops right out. Dont let this happen to you: Raise your Want-o-Meter to a new higher level.

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Take the aforementioned information, and configure your MT LINE.

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My original post was too long..........I had to cut this short........and make another.............(see second post for the other half)


Chillen = Old Windbag............LOL
 
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Young "man"

O thats a boost already, wish they'd use that word in college... biased people.


Anyway, im here :)
 
Well, you are correct. You need a deficit in calories to lose body fat. Just remember, you need to take it slow if you want to maintain muscle mass as well. Having too big a deficit may also lower your metabolism. It much better to create that deficit by exercising more than by eating less.

Don't concern yourself too much with when you eat your meals. As long as it adds up to your caloric needs, you will be okay. But, it is important to have a good source of protein before and after your workout to help maintain muscle mass. A whey protein shake before and after you workout will do the trick.
 
Thanks for the info.

I need a specific food plan...

also burning more... can this involve simple excersises? its hard to to much in the terms of jogging, cycling and physical activity around and out my house... I can do simpkle excersies inside, for along time... and soon using a x trainer...

Whey protein atm would cost too much since Im not currently not earning YET and I have just got monthly subscription with contact lenses, and Im digging money out of nothing...

So I will consider a xtrainer, treadmill for my personel gym (I dont have any gyms around me)
 
SECOND HALF of my first post:


Im also wanting to build muscle when I finally buy my bench, barbell kit and dumbells, then followed onto a mutli-gym.

In the long run, I want to loose enough weight quickly, have a nice base to start building onto, and then bulk out


When one first starts to eyeball a diet and exercise routine, the person is in a unique position.

1. The body is accustomed to a rather high caloric content (say--for example one is overweight and wanting to lose weight)

2. The body has already adjusted to its environment (say no training, just daily routines) and has "developed enough strength and/or muscle" just for that.

Both 1 and 2 are extraordinary benefits to the new new person wanting to diet and exercise.

Why? Well.....lets see in the most basic sense.

1. If the body is accustomed to a rather high caloric content, and then suddenly the caloric levels DROP to the negative side........the body reacts rather strongly because if this------->Switch.........

2. In addition, one has introduced a new environment.......exercising/training, which is another rather drastic change.

Both of these set the course for the POSITIVE in one's goal to lose fat tissue--rather quickly----at FIRST. One can lose fat tissue AND GAIN muscle tissue at the same time........in this simple example........but this is only temporary....and will never be met again.....if the persons continues to diet and train regularly.

Otherwise:

Gaining muscle and Losing fat tissue------opposes the laws of energy balance (or the law of caloric balance, if you wish).

Therefore, David, it is possible for you to gain muscle and lose fat at first....but you will have to decide to to one or the other.

I do not think it a bad idea to cut first to rid yourself of the excess tissue, and then bulk up when you are satisfied with the tissue loss results--if your present unwanted tissue is too high or at a state that is considered to be unhealthy.




So if someone could give me good food ideas for each meal, that would be great, food in specific would be nice, then If I cant eat or refuse to eat a certain thing I'll whine on another post on this thread

(im a fussy man when it comes to foods, but if I have to, i'll face the facts and eat with a clip over my nose)

Thanks for reading.

I gave you some food suggestions earlier......if you want I can provide some other options.

Just as you are fussy about your foods..............YOU MUST PREPARE TO BE just as FUSSY--------in your "Fat loss-o-Meter".......and raise your will to a new higher level...............

I will also post some basics on progression.............next




I wish you the best, David..........I really do.......

Rock on...................>YOUNG MAN!



Best wishes,



Chillen
 
A Weight Program is a structured "Weight Lifting" Plan that you schedule certain exercises for a given time period.

For example: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Rest Saturday and Sunday, and then repeat.


Make compound exercises your STAPLE exercises. However I temporarily HARP on two very important exercises to include:

Note: (upper means upper body, lower means lower body)


The DeadLift (upper and lower) and Squat (lower)--------Include these in your routine--even when deficit dieting......they WILL be your buddies.......I PROMISE.......you may cry, you may ball your eyes out, vomit, and scream........and it may not feel like they are your buddies........but they ARE........DO THEM!.........You will be rewarded........TEN thousand more times.......then you cried......I promise.

Other choices include:

Flat and incline bench press (upper), Military press (upper), Lunges (more lower), French Press (Skull cusher, upper), barbell curl (upper, I do not share the opinion, that barbell curls are a useless exercise), bent over row (upper), and you can also choose: Dips and chins/pullups.


The torso or abs: (the deads and squats--indirectly--but POWERFULLY effect this area)


Types of excercises: Crunch, Reverse crunch. Hanging leg raises, Leg lifts are a few starting examples. Pick one, AND do 3 sets. At the begining I suggest just one exercise of 3 sets, and as you progress you can add in another--just for simplicity sake.


Start out with no weight until you reach the first set of 25 reps. IF on the first set you reach 25R, then add a 2 1/2 lb plate (as an example) on the second set, and then continue, and then do a 3rd. Be progressive. Each time the FIRST set hits 25, add weight.


I include weighted half-up sit ups (about 30 degrees up or thereabouts--some dont like these because it involves the hip flexors, but I get good strength volume from it, so see if works for you.

Schedule this about 3 times a week, and treat it as any other muscle. Allow rest time: this example gives about 4 days in one week.

But remember, doing these exercises isnt the the key in getting the abs to show, its the diet that does this. The exercises will strengthen the area no doubt, but place the diet above these exercises. Be PROGRESSIVE in the ab area as you are in your other training.




Weight progression EXAMPLE:

I recommend a writing down the exercises, weight being used, and then keeping track of the reps completed---to track progression, and if need be enable FORCE progression techniques. The KEY to training, is PROGRESSION. Trying with FULL THROTTLE to progress from one workout to the next (whether its an increase in reps or weight or both).

For example: you used 100lbs on Bent Over row and did 8 reps. The next workout with the back you want to get 9 reps, and so on and so forth. If the target cut off rep range is 12 (for example), then you would increase about 5 lbs. This is progression in its simple basic form.

I believe you have to track progress because its CRITICAL to ones success and to strength and/or muscle gains.


Best wishes,



Chillen
 
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Thankyou very much, I will pre-occupy myself after college today working on plans for eating.

I take your advice strongly and I wont be buying any equipment soon, I will work on loosing the tissue and then finding a nice base, working on it once I feel right.


o/
 
The benedict formula is one a many one can use to determine caloric needs.
It is an accurate approximation of one's caloric needs.

Your MT Line approximation is your base caloric need-----in addition to all activities (training, living, and bodily functions).

Yes, you want to provide a small deficit under this MT line.....say -500c and watch during the week and see if you lose----at least or close to one approximated pound of tissue.


Best regards,



Chillen
 
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