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im about half way through my book Super Squats and i keep on reading about trainees testimonials who performed the 20 rep squat routine that they gained 25lbs of muslce in a month.
It actually says in the foreword
"If you'r not gaining 10lbs a month, your doing something wrong."

they encourage drinking gallons of milk(cool) and eating as much as you want.

it seems to me like they got caught up in the "bulk" craze and they are gaining unneccisary fat as well.

for those of us who know about bulking, our bodies are said to be able to manufacture a max of around 2lbs a month if everything is spot on.

so what am i to believe?
i find it very far fetched to be able to slap on 30lbs of muscle in 6 weeks.
30lbs of muscle is absolutely crazy...its hard to believe

i hope evo can chime in and give some advice here. what can i truly expect?
 
Well, I'm not evo (slightly more his expertise than mine :)), and I'm not familiar with that particular book. However, there are 2,392,648 (give or take) books out there telling us all sorts of convoluted weight loss methods, making crazy promises. It doesn't seem to be a big jump to believe that there are books out there for bulking that do the same thing.


You can probably gain 30lbs of pure muscle in 6 wks the same exact way you can lose 30lbs of pure fat in 6 wks.....

But, maybe Mreik or Evo can chime in and tell me I've got it all wrong, as this isn't my world.
 
There are things to keep in mind-

We are all different and will gain muscle at different rates despite identical diets and identical training setups.

A trainees training time has some impact on the rate of muscle accumulation.

20 rep squats and a gallon of milk daily does wonders in shocking the body into growth.

How much you keep after coming off the program and dialing down your diet is another story (you may keep a lot, you may keep little).

Some of those testimonials may be skewed a bit in that they're looking at over all weight gain.

I've never known anyone to go through the program and follow it (I've never done it myself) walk away without adding 20lbs-30lbs of weightgain. I'll say that ~80% of that was muscle gain. In my book that's awesome.

I think now it's your turn to take the program for a run and post back the results.
 
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20lbs, 80% muscle is amazing in my book too...

of course i am going to give this a try as soon as i am healthy enough

thankyou for the advice.

ps: do you think front squats could also work for 20 rep squats?
 
I know a lot of guys who have done the 20 reps squat program. It (or variations of it) has been around since the 60's at least.

Sure it is possible to gain 30 lbs in 6 weeks with the majority of it being muscle. That rate of growth will not be maintained throughout the training year.

The other issue is doing the 20 reps squat program as it is supposed to be done. Most people do not have the stones to do at and will not get the best possible results from it.

People will also adapt differently to the program. I believe it will wok best for an intermediate trainee.

To be clear, unless someone has gained 30 - 40 lbs of muscle per year for several years, they do not know about bulking.

ps: do you think front squats could also work for 20 rep squats?
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I would use back squats.
 
Proteinboy said:
ps: do you think front squats could also work for 20 rep squats?
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You won't get near the same impact from front squats as you will with back squats. I've never given 20 rep front squats a go but some things come to mind-
Shoulders would fatigue long before leg fatigued. You would choke out before you hit 20 reps. I doubt you'd be able to maintain form to keep your form upright enough to keep the bar up.

I have to agree with Georgen on many fronts that he brought out. The 20 rep squat program is a lot like the Russian and other squat programs-not a lot of trainees are able to actually get the program done.

Good luck and good training if you do the 20 rep squat program.
 
Don't believe everything you read. When reading anything fitness related you need take it with a grain of salt. There's alot of workout theories out there, some of them are fantastic, others not so. And it's especially important to do this when reading stuff over the net, including this forum.
 
Sure it is possible to gain 30 lbs in 6 weeks with the majority of it being muscle.
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Please, one would require a myostatin "malfunction". There is no way for the average person not on drugs, who ain't super human. To gain 30 pounds of muscle in a little over a month. One could not even get "Close" to 30 pounds if tried.

Its not possible...Hell, that would average out to around 1.4 pounds of LBM a day, in growth. He would need to be in about a 3,500-4,000 calorie Surplus a day for the entire duration.

Along with that^ and simple knowledge on tissue growth. I would fully state it impossible for the average person.
 
that was my exact first thought!
the book reccomends a 4500 calorie diet, depending on the trainee, and says if your not gaining 10lbs of muscle a month, your doing it wrong.
my fear is eating too much and gaining fat instead of muscle; but i am confused at who to believe now in order to set my dietary goals.

2 very knowledgeable people have supported the claims along with the book's author of course and uncountable testimonials...
plus, evo said himself that he never knew "never known anyone to go through the program and follow it (I've never done it myself) walk away without adding 20lbs-30lbs of weightgain. I'll say that ~80% of that was muscle gain"
and thats a real life observation
 
Proteinboy said:
im about half way through my book Super Squats and i keep on reading about trainees testimonials who performed the 20 rep squat routine that they gained 25lbs of muslce in a month.
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curious - how much FAT did they say they gained in one month ?

btw - when was this book " Super Squats " first published ? What year ?


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eating as much as you want.

it seems to me like they got caught up in the "bulk" craze and they are gaining unneccisary fat as well.
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Do they actually ' discuss ' the potential for gaining FAT by dong this ?
 
so would I, there's a physiological limit to how much muscle gain a human body can actually gain in a given time frame without assistance..
 
"First printing: April 1989...
Copyright 1989"
thats all i cold find

the 2 knowledgeable people are evolution and georgen in this post. although evo didnt crearly say its possible to gain that much muscle, he said that he ""never known anyone to go through the program and follow it (I've never done it myself) walk away without adding 20lbs-30lbs of weightgain. I'll say that ~80% of that was muscle gain"

and georgen said it was possible; i trust both of them

the book never talks about gaining fat, i dont think even once. it advocates a high protein, high calorie diet with very clean foods.

why would the book lie? im not saying its not, but why would they lie and say that? so people buy the book? but wouldnt its profits diminish if the validity of their claims becomes obvoiusly false, proven by people who have tried it?

i also trust trevor and karks, so i dont know what to believe.
i just gotta try it and see :]
 
Its basic Fundelmentals:


I dont care what routine one does OR if the food is entirely clean, if one ingests more calories than they need (and muscle building and other things are completed) the excess turns to fat.


A clean diet doesnt ensure fat free weight gain nor does a routine. What will narrow down this (Muscle to Fat) ratio is Calorie v. Routine (activity) ratio particular for the person.


If calories are in excess with the routine figured in (and muscle growth and repair are complete): FAT GAIN is the result---no matter what is done. Mighty is the calorie...king of kings.


EDIT: Good luck, PB, just be careful with the caloric figures. Even IF you dont gain 30 pounds in a month (and I agree with Trevor), you may gain a reputatable amount; therefore, even if its NOT quote "30 Pounds" unquote, you may obtain a muscle gain benefit.....but be careful with the.......all knowing, all powerful, and deciding factor: The Calorie.
 
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perhaps the claim is somehow exlusive to noobs:
"gain 30lbs in 6 weeks"
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It is exclusive to fools who believe it. Its a book, a books job is to sell it self. How does it do that? Through claims such as that.

Its not possible, it won't happen, there is no way. Speaking from a physiological stand point. The body simply can NOT build that much LBM in that short of a time, naturally.
 
well then i guess the real question is
why did georgen say its possible and how does evo know guys who did the program who all gained 20-30lbs, ~80% muscle
 
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