looking for some answers??

i am 5'5'' and currently weigh 140 lbs *YUCK*. I dont know my BF% but I did just buy calipers online to find out. I was 160 and now I am stuck. I have dropped down to 133 and my body keeps wanting to go back to 140. I cant figure it out. I have changed my routine to look like this:

monday: yoga class
tuesday: "boot camp" routine with high intensity multiple exercises using a step, jump rope, etc. - 20 minutes
wednesday: circuit weight training - full body - and 20 minutes of higher intensity cardio
thursday: "boot camp" routine with high intensity multiple exercises using a step, jump rope, etc. - 20 minutes
friday: REST
saturday: circuit weight training - full body - and 20 minutes of higher intensity cardio
sunday: 5 mile run - average pace

where as before i was doing cardio - running or elliptical for 45-60 minutes and chaning the interval routines & weight training twice / week (with dumbells/swiss ball/band as i dont belong to a gym).

Question is: how long does a body recognize change in the program? It has been a couple weeks and Im still at a stand still. I understand that my body has apparently adjusted to this weight but it is not where I need to be as I am clearly over-fat. I changed the routine to try and "shock" the system as others have indicated... & I just dont know what i am doing wrong.

In terms of nutrition intake - i log everything into sparkpeople.com and make sure i am within the range recommended in all categories - usually consuming about 1550 calories spread across 5-6 meals, 70 oz of water and eating protein with carbs and healthy fats to keep myself balanced.

I WAS eating only 1200-1300 calories while doing the old exercise routine and was told mybody may have been put into "starvation mode" b/c that was a low intake but I'm not sure. Nothing has changed & i am beyond frustrated and confused.

Just b/c my body WANTS to be at thsi weight, how do I get it to lose again and get down to about 125-130 lbs??????????

any help is greatly appreciated.
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
anybody??

before this gets pushed to the bottom....hoping somebody can help me out??

THANK YOU in advance! :eek:
 
A few observations:

-When's the last time that you took a diet break? During any diet, your metabolism will adjust to the deficit by slowing down, making periodic breaks vital for continuing to see results. I would climb back up to your maintainence level (by increasing cals ~10% each day) and staying there for 1-2 weeks. Then, resume your diet. Done properly, it will be a time for your body to "return to normal" hormonally, allowing you to get back to losing weight.

-Too much cardio, not enough weights...you may be limited because you are at home (I don't know what kind of weights you're dealing with), but the focus of dieting exercise should be low-volume, heavy weight. There are still plenty of options for you in body weight exercises, but you need to get creative...and 20 minutes isn't going to cut it, unfortunately. "The Men's Health Home Workout Bible" is IMO the best resource for home-exercise routines and options. You may want to look into it. And drop the 5 mile run and the post weights cardio: too much.

-When's the last time that you took time off from working out? You are doing a lot of exercise on a hypocaloric diet, which impairs your ability to recover properly. You need to take time off, just like in your diet. This doesn't have to be a full week off (although, if you haven't taken time off in a while, you might want to), but usually this is a "rest" week of lowered intensity and lowered volume (in weight training, this is typically set at 80% of normal intensity and 50% of normal volume). I would suggest the week off, with maybe a few light, short jogs. You'll feel refreshed and re-charged afterwards.
 
-When's the last time that you took a diet break? During any diet, your metabolism will adjust to the deficit by slowing down, making periodic breaks vital for continuing to see results. I would climb back up to your maintainence level (by increasing cals ~10% each day) and staying there for 1-2 weeks.

* just got back from one - wedding/honeymoon - 2 weeks - no exercise except swimming and some hiking and ate whatever i wanted

too much cardio?
how much do you recommend?? i do strength train 3x/week for 45 minutes at a time, consistently increasing so i go to fatigue (full body workout)

what is hypocaloric diet?? agian, i took time off about 2 weeks ago for 1 1/2 weeks...

THANK YOU.
 
skyler2 said:
* just got back from one - wedding/honeymoon - 2 weeks - no exercise except swimming and some hiking and ate whatever i wanted

too much cardio?
how much do you recommend?? i do strength train 3x/week for 45 minutes at a time, consistently increasing so i go to fatigue (full body workout)

what is hypocaloric diet?? agian, i took time off about 2 weeks ago for 1 1/2 weeks...

THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS! I hope that you had a great time!

Luckily enough, that probably took care of the diet break that I was talking about, so you should be ok to get back onto a diet. I would use a calorie calculator to determine your maintenance level cals, and then subtract about 300-500 calories from that (remember, it's better to go conservative and continue to reduce slowly until you see steady weight loss, rather than making a big deficit all at once and then causing a starvation reaction from your body).

As far as cardio is concerned, it should be as little as needed to achieve your goals...while that may sound cryptic, it's honestly not meant to be: cardio is not the asnwer, just part of the equation. Most of my weight loss clients do very little cardio and see very excellent results (meaning maybe 2-3 days of intervals and HIIT).

Hypocaloric = low calories (the prefix "hypo" means below or insufficient); i.e. a diet.

What specifically does your weights workout look like, skyler?
 
skyler2 said:
* just got back from one - wedding/honeymoon - 2 weeks - no exercise except swimming and some hiking and ate whatever i wanted

too much cardio?
how much do you recommend?? i do strength train 3x/week for 45 minutes at a time, consistently increasing so i go to fatigue (full body workout)

what is hypocaloric diet?? agian, i took time off about 2 weeks ago for 1 1/2 weeks...

THANK YOU.
dont go to faliure (fatigue) you will burn out your cns (central nervouse system) stop one short of faliure.
ie pick a weight you can do 10 reps with do 9 then stop
here is some info from the HST site on faliure.

HST's method of using submaximal weights at the beginning of the cycle is based on the fact that the effectiveness of a given load to stimulate growth is dependant on the condition of the tissue at the time the load is applied. This is a very important concept for natural lifters. It is also based on the need to maintain the health (injury free) of the tissues.

You can't really apply the external load based simply on the capacity to do so, and expect to the muscle to respond the way you want it to (growth). Too much weight too soon, even though you can lift it, will not always result in an optimal hypertrophic response. Not only that, but the greater the load, the greater the response to build resistance to it, and/or get injured.

Why not just do as many reps as possible (A.K.A. train at “100% intensity”, or “train to failure”) for every increment/workout instead of changing it only every 2 weeks? Because when using sufficient frequency to stimulate rapid hypertrophy, you tend to get CNS burn out. Fortunately, it isn’t necessary to train at “100% intensity” to grow quickly. This is a very unpopular statement to experienced lifters who have prided themselves on torturous workouts. They take pride in their toughness and in their willingness to self inflict nauseating exhaustion workout after workout. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. As long as it is not taught as the correct way to train for “growth”.

HST incorporates ever increasing loads in order to stay ahead of the adaptive curve. This curve is set by the tissues level of conditioning at the time the load is applied. This is as much an art as a science. Because we can't do a biopsy of the muscles every time we train, we have to guess how much, how hard, and how often, based on the available research an the "feeling" of the tissue at the time. Why use submax weights? Because using max weights eventually stops working, and simply increases the risk of injury.

Why not just do as many reps as possible (A.K.A. train at “100% intensity”, or “train to failure”) for every increment/workout instead of changing it only every 2 weeks? Because when using sufficient frequency to stimulate rapid hypertrophy, you tend to get CNS burn out. Fortunately, it isn’t necessary to train at “100% intensity” to grow quickly. This is a very unpopular statement to experienced lifters who have prided themselves on torturous workouts. They take pride in their toughness and in their willingness to self inflict nauseating exhaustion workout after workout. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. As long as it is not taught as the correct way to train for “growth”.

So why not train one maximal day only, then utilize "complete rest" thus preserving adaptive energies?

There is no need to preserve "adaptive energies". This is a false notion. These adaptive energies are, in reality, the ability of the CNS to recover voluntary strength. Early "thinkers" noticed the effect of stress on health and compared that to the effects of heavy resistance exercise on strength and came to the conclusion that there was some pool of "adaptive energies" that was limited. Use it all up and you can't recover. What they had not realized was that there are fundamental differences between mechanical loading and Selye's stress model. This caused them to confuse the limitations of the CNS with the resilience of muscle tissue.

Muscle tissue, as indicated earlier, has been shown to recover amidst continued loading. Take for example "synergistic ablation" studies. In these studies the gastrocnemius of an animal is cut so that the standing load is placed almost entirely on the soleus. In these studies the animal’s soleus is subject to a dramatic increase in load during every waking hour. There is no "rest between sets or workouts" or any kind of sets or workouts for that matter. There is no time off to allow "adaptive energies" to do their magic. Nevertheless, the soleus will double in size and weight within days. The muscle literally grows and adapts to the new "environment" while being continually loaded. Now I'm not suggesting that people have this done to get their stubborn calves to grow, but it does illustrate an important point. Which is - the muscle can adapt while it is being loaded, or trained. The tissue does not necessarily need time off. The central nervous system, on the other hand, does need time off. The amount of time off it needs depends on how much "fatigue" was induced.

Please try to avoid "forced reps". During the concentric phase push on the weight but make sure it goes up "quickly". If you are doing an exercise that requires a partner, and he can no longer lift the weight up quickly, you're done.

Fatigue actually "decreases" the damage caused by eccentric reps. The fibers have to be actively contracting while lengthening in order to cause the "right" kind of microtrauma.

Further discussion on fatigue and its relation to a proper hypertrophic stimulus

The 1st set, as with the 2nd set, merely places a given amount of strain on the tissue. As long as you are supporting the weight, the stimulus is present.

You may have heard some discussion about fatiguing fibers becoming disassociated from the rest of the contracting fibers, and thus avoiding the strain. This is true in one sense, and false in another. As a fiber fatigues, it is true that it will stop contracting. When enough fibers fatigue, the tissue as a whole will no longer be able to move against the resistance and you have reached what we call “momentary muscle failure”. Some studies done using eccentric exercise have demonstrated that high resistance eccentric reps produce more microtrauma when done by a fresh muscle, when compared to eccentric reps done after pre-fatiguing the muscle. This would not be wholly unexpected given the above explanation about fatiguing fibers.

However, there is another issue involved that must be taken into account. No fiber is completely isolated from the rest of the tissue, even when it becomes fatigued. So even when one fiber becomes fatigued (sarcomeres by sarcomeres) that fiber will still experience passive stretch by virtue of being attached to adjacent and in-series fibers. So even if a fiber fatigues right away, if the set continues, that fiber will be stretched and strained with the rest of the tissue, the only difference being that the forces will be shifted from the contractile elements of the fiber to the outer structural elements of the fiber. As we know, both passive and active strain/stretch produce hypertrophy.

In short, fatigue is not a critical factor, although it obviously holds importance given the nature of “lifting” weights.

I think where more confusion comes in, is when people begin talking about "intensity". Intensity is generally associated with effort; the greater the effort required, the greater the intensity. This naturally leads to the idea that the last few reps, which require the most effort, are the most effective. If we are strength training, this is often true. However, when training for muscle growth, the fatigue generated by training to failure and beyond (e.g. forced reps) quickly interferes with our ability to train with sufficient frequency.
god luck:cool: :D
 
wow, thanks for all that info buzz!!

and bipennate, I really appreciate your help here!

What specifically does your weights workout look like, skyler?

i do advanced pilates twice a week on the reformer for an hour each time. then 2-3 times a week, i do a full body workout with free weights/swissball at home.

this includes about 45 minutes, 3-5 reps per muscle group, targeting:
chest
upper back
lower back
abs
shoulders
biceps
triceps
squats
lunges
calf raises

my weights range from 12 lbs to 14 lbs to 18 lbs depending on the exercise.

this is generally tues/thurs/saturday.

SO YOU THINK I ONLY SHOULD DO 3 TIMES OF CARDIO/WEEK FOR 30 MINUTES DOING HIIT AND THE REST WEIGHT LIFTING TO LOSE WEIGHT??

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.
SKY.
 
skyler2 said:
i do advanced pilates twice a week on the reformer for an hour each time. then 2-3 times a week, i do a full body workout with free weights/swissball at home.

this includes about 45 minutes, 3-5 reps per muscle group, targeting:
chest
upper back
lower back
abs
shoulders
biceps
triceps
squats
lunges
calf raises

my weights range from 12 lbs to 14 lbs to 18 lbs depending on the exercise.

this is generally tues/thurs/saturday.

SO YOU THINK I ONLY SHOULD DO 3 TIMES OF CARDIO/WEEK FOR 30 MINUTES DOING HIIT AND THE REST WEIGHT LIFTING TO LOSE WEIGHT??

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.
SKY.
What are the actual excercises that you're doing, Skyler? I'll assume that you meant 3-5 sets, not reps...

Yes, 3 workouts/week and 2-3 interval sessions (Maybe HIIT, maybe not: it depends on your recovery from your workouts...normally I don't suggest more than 2 HIIT sessions during a full body workout, and only if that person is capable of at least 1 am/pm workout. Otherwise I woud stick with one and make the other cardio days lighter intervals). However, the workouts need to be intense (read: heavy weight) for the most part, using compound movements. With your limited equipment/weights, that may be a bit more difficult for you to do right now.
 
just a couple of additional comments/questions:

what is your carb/protein/fat split on average each day? i'm not familiar with sparkpeople.com - does it do that for you?

carb cycling can work quite well when you're on a plateau ie vary the amount of carbs you have from day to day

it can be difficult to determine your maintainance number of calories using a calculator because they will all vary and not everyone is the same. however, the best calculation i have come across that works for me is the Harris Benedict method:

Men BMR = 66 + (6.3 x Body Weight in lbs) + (12.9 x Height in inches) - (6.8 x age)
Women BMR = 655 + (9.6 x weight in kilos) + (1.8 x height in cm) - (4.7 x age)

Whatever number you get here is your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate) which is the number of calories you will burn if you did nothing all day - no movement at all, no eating, no nothing.

Depending on how active you are, you can calculate your maintenance calories by multiplying your BMR by one of the following:

Sedentary = 1.2 (little exercise, desk job)
Light Activity = 1.375 (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk)
Moderate Activity = 1.55 (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week)
Very Active = 1.725 (heavy exercise/sports 6-7 days/week)
Extreme Activity = 1.9 (heavy exercise/sports, physically demanding job)

Once you've done that you'll find out how many calories approximately you burn per day. If you ate that many each day you should neither lose nor gain weight.

To lose weight you should be aiming at subtracting about 500 from that figure.

I did the calculation for you and it turns out your BMR is 1444. add to that the activity you do. going by what you gave, i would say you are in between moderate and very active so multiply that by 1.635 and you get 2360 ( ireally hope i've done that right lol). so theoretically, eating 1860 calories per week should let you lose a pound of fat per week. 1360 should let you lose 2 lbs of fat per week.

Soooooo, theoretically, eating 1550 calories per week should be getting you a fat loss of about 1.5lbs each week but you're not getting it. interestingly though you said that you upped your calories by about 300 yet no change has occured. i would actually up it again by 250 to 1800. try that for a couple of weeks, monitor your weight and see if any changes occur.

i agree with bipennate - do more weights. i'd go as far as saying, if you didn't have the time for more exercise, to sacrifice some cardio time for weight-lifting. time after time, people performing cardio til they drop trying to lose fat see a HUGE benefit from starting on weights. it may even be that your current routine could be better. post your routine (what exercises you do) and some of us here can see if it could be tweaked. the main point really is to focus on compound exercises - ones that work the whole body, rather than isolated exercises such as dumbell curls.

sheesh, i've gone on a bit!
 
oh, i forgot to say - i just guessed an age for you for that calculation. it shouldn't make much difference tho. i put in 25 :D
 
Soooooo, theoretically, eating 1550 calories per week should be getting you a fat loss of about 1.5lbs each week but you're not getting it. interestingly though you said that you upped your calories by about 300 yet no change has occured. i would actually up it again by 250 to 1800. try that for a couple of weeks, monitor your weight and see if any changes occur.

ive done this before and I GAINED Weight.....immediately started gaining... this all sounds a lot like me...wondering if i was never in starvation mode? or why i would gain by adding to the right caloric level??
 
answers (thanks!!)

What are the actual excercises that you're doing, Skyler? I'll assume that you meant 3-5 sets, not reps...

YES, I MEANT SETS, NOT REPS ( i try to do
3-4 sets of 8-12 reps) -

EXAMPLE DAY:
chest flys on swiss ball
leaning forward over swiss ball -sitting - pull back rows
lunges/bicep curls
tricep dips or overhead pull-ups
pushups
stomach full body crunch
swimming on stomach for lower back
squats
shoulders - pull up weights from shoulders to ceiling and back down
plank

(i did this yesterday and am SORE!)


Yes, 3 workouts/week and 2-3 interval sessions (Maybe HIIT, maybe not: it depends on your recovery from your workouts...normally I don't suggest more than 2 HIIT sessions during a full body workout, and only if that person is capable of at least 1 am/pm workout. Otherwise I woud stick with one and make the other cardio days lighter intervals). However, the workouts need to be intense (read: heavy weight) for the most part, using compound movements. With your limited equipment/weights, that may be a bit more difficult for you to do right now.

any suggestions as i doubt i am doing "compound movements" - i have a decent amoutn of weights and equiplmetn at home so i am not totally deprived w/o the gym, i dont think.

what is your carb/protein/fat split on average each day? i'm not familiar with sparkpeople.com - does it do that for you?

yes, sparkpeople does that for you but it is says to eat:
1400-1700 calories
160 - 288 carbs
32 - 69 fat
36 - 155 protein

SOUND RIGHT?????????

Soooooo, theoretically, eating 1550 calories per week should be getting you a fat loss of about 1.5lbs each week but you're not getting it. interestingly though you said that you upped your calories by about 300 yet no change has occured. i would actually up it again by 250 to 1800. try that for a couple of weeks, monitor your weight and see if any changes occur.

YES!!! I AM 29, SO 25 ISNT TOO FAR OFF .... WHY AM I NOT LOSING??

UGH.....FRUSTRATED AND CONFUSED...I WILL PUT IN THE EFFORT, I AM HOPING FOR RESULS - IF I KNOW I AM DOING THE RIGHT PLAN THEN MY PATIENCE WILL SUBSIDE SOME, BUT I FEEL LIKE I AM GETTING NOWHERE, EATING TOO MUCH OR SOMETHING AS I HAVENT LOST 1 BIT AND HAVE BEEN EATING 155-1700 FOR 2 WEEKS NOW....

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!
 
dumbells - lbs -2, 6, 8, 12
swiss ball
elliptical machine
pilates circle
resistance bands
steps
weighted balls - 2 lbs each (2)

THANKS!!
 
skyler2 said:
dumbells - lbs -2, 6, 8, 12
swiss ball
elliptical machine
pilates circle
resistance bands
steps
weighted balls - 2 lbs each (2)

THANKS!!
TBH that is not enough weight to do compound exercises effectively
you need at least a bar ,bench,etc,
squating or deadlifting with 12lbs in each hand is not worth the effort
if you had some 50lb or 60lb dumbells we could work out something lunges etc.
 
to buzz...and thanks!

ok, how about if the equipment isnt an option? based on your recommendations, i am willing to buy more equipment. especially weights as i know i am outgrowing that level lbs and i'm sick of doubling them up, etc..


so, if you dont mind, what routine woud you recommend w/ what equipment for a compound workout that will get me results???

THANK YOU.
 
skyler2 said:
ok, how about if the equipment isnt an option? based on your recommendations, i am willing to buy more equipment. especially weights as i know i am outgrowing that level lbs and i'm sick of doubling them up, etc..


so, if you dont mind, what routine woud you recommend w/ what equipment for a compound workout that will get me results???

THANK YOU.
if you can get a squat rack and bench(some come with squatracks)+ weights i would recomend 3 fullbody workouts a week.
squats
deadlifts
benchpress
chins..if you can hang from somewhere
shoulder presses
bent over rows
if you cant get a squat rack do lunges or step ups for squats.
start of doing
2 sets of 15 reps for 3wks
increase the weight.
3 sets of 10 reps for 3wks
increase the weight.
4 or 5 sets of 5 reps for 3wks
take a wk off weights or use a lighter load for a wk then start back on the 15 reps.let us know how you go on good luck :cool: :D
 
AWESOME. thank you for your help, Buzz!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
 
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