17-HD (17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone)

Wotan1

Gatuno GYM
Hola foreros, acabo de "descubrir" un nuevo amplificador de testosterona, su nombre es: 17-HD (17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone) de Vyo-Tech, a continuacion una breve descripcion.

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Segun la etiqueta se toma una capsula 30 minutos antes de entrenar.

He estado buscando informacion sobre sus ingredientes y sus posibles beneficios o efectos secundarios, pero no encuentro gran informacion.

Alguno de ustedes lo ha tomado o sabe algo sobre este suplemento.

Un abrazo desde Mexico!!!
 
Asi es Juancar, tiene muy buena pinta... segun la etiqueta solo basta uno sola capsula antes de entrenar, en comparacion a otros amplificadores de testosterona que tienes que tomar hasta 6 capsulas durante todo el dia.

Ojala y alguien aporte algo sobre este suplemento, ya que lo traigo en la mente para mi proxima compra.

Aqui dejo una comparacion de ingredientes entre otro famoso amplificador de testo.

17-HD de Vyo-Tech vs Axis-HT de BSN

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Ustedes diran cual es mejor.

Saludos.
 
Lo probé a principios del año pasado y nada de nada. Como si tomara algo inócuo:efectividad 0. Al menos a mí no me fucionó.
 
De hecho el precio del 17-HD de 30 capsulas es de $30 dlls y el de 60 en $45 dlls... relativamente barato en comparacion a otros suplementos con las mismas funciones que sobrepasan los $55 dlls por 20-30 servicios.

Ahora la duda esta, realmente funcionara y estara por encima de los otros amplificadores de testosterona?

Saludos.
 
17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: toda la pinta de otro veneno para el cuerpo.
y para colmo alguien será capaz de tomarlo sin ningún tipo de supervisión médica...
 
si quereis una bomba probad armagedon... es impresionante... pero su sabor es malisimo. saludos
 
Pues el producto esta hecho en USA y en este pais ya estan prohibidos los prohormonales. Ademas segun la pagina oficial y otras el producto es legal en pruebas de dopaje.
 
17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: toda la pinta de otro veneno para el cuerpo.
y para colmo alguien será capaz de tomarlo sin ningún tipo de supervisión médica...

Menudo bocazas estas hecho!! _mmmmmm_:

He visto suplementos con nombres similares a los de los esteroides famosos, cambiando solo una letra como en vez de dianabol, dianagol y cosas asi que no eran mas que simples suplementos vitaminicos, con algun que otro aminoacido y aklgun extracto de alguna planta exotica.

Dime que ingrediente ves que pueda ser perjudicial, entonces hablaras con propiedad y no como los periodistas casposos del corazon.
 
Review

Encontre un review en un foro de una tienda online en USA. El review muestra los ingredientes y sus origenes; en pocas palabras califican al 17-HD como basura comercial. A continuacion el texto, lamento que este en ingles, pero es facil de entender.

Aqui les dejo la version traducida:
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I will explain how this product bothers me on an unparalleled scale. It is what is wrong with the industry. Shawn Ray uses it…hmm. This product is deceptive, trying to sound like a prohormone or even a potent steroid. The company has stated they did not decide on the name or try and be deceptive it was what the “scientist� (seriously) named it...so that's what they went with...HAHAHA! Even if they have a "scientist" of some sort, which they probably don't, that guy is not in control of their financial fate in the naming/marketing/advertising of the product.

17-HD (17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone): To review the choice of name here, by marketing NOT SCIENCE…let’s review.

1.)17 – As is c17a, the 17th carbon at the alpha position is where anabolic steroids have their potency and toxicity and often is where a methyl group is as attached.
2.)Halo – Besides being a great X-Box game, it is another group of steroids such as the popular halotestin, also halodrol is quite popular in the prohormone world.
3.)Methyl – See #1. Also – see buzz word of the year (#2 is ethyl ester)
4.)Dianadrone – Diana(bol) aka methandrostenolone, comes pretty close to hitting the whole 17-HD name is one fall swoop.
5.)17-HD, or 17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone, sounds like a chemical compound doesn’t it? Sounds like one heck of a methylated potent oral steroid. Right?

Guess what? It’s not. Matter of fact it’s just a bunch of herbs. I’d say this is pretty deceptive so far, but lets get into the useless or even counterproductive part.


Here is the ingredients according to the write-up:

17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg
Ge Gan (pueraria lobota)
Smilax Officinalis
N.O. Oliliacae

Betaecdysterone 100mg
Wild yam extract 100mg
Glabra 100mg
Phosphatidyl choline 50mg
Citric acid 50mg

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We'll start with wild yam and go from there.
Wild Yam is great at regulating estrogen...there's a potent benefit! And I will quote:

"Wild yam has been used for menstrual cramps or pain, menopausal symptoms, rheumatic conditions, and gallbladder complaints. Wild yam is sometimes suggested as an alternative to hormone replacement therapy. While components of wild yam are chemically manufactured into the hormones progesterone or estrogen, the body is unable to use wild yam in the same way."
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Ge Gen is aka kudzu and I quote:

"Chemicals extracted from kudzu include isoflavones known as daidzein, daidzin, genistein, and puerarin. Isoflavones are plant chemicals that have estrogenic and antioxidant effects."
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How 'bout Smilax? Let's go for the trifecta shall we? Smilax officinalis is also known as sarsparilla.
I'll quote again...

"In the United States, sarsaparilla is sold primarily as an oral remedy for skin conditions such as psoriasis. It is believed that chemicals in sarsaparilla may attach to endotoxins (the remnants of bacterial cells) that are common in individuals with psoriasis and certain other conditions. By eliminating or reducing the amounts of endotoxins in the body, sarsaparilla may help to relieve the condition.

Orally, sarsaparilla also has weak diuretic and laxative effects, which may make it useful in promoting the loss of excess water from the body and also in treating mild constipation. It may also promote sweating, which may help to reduce fever. Additionally, sarsaparilla contains chemicals that may act as a mild expectorant – a substance that may loosen bronchial mucus and promote coughing. However, none of these effects has been verified through clinical studies and they may vary greatly depending on the amounts and type of sarsaparilla that is used. "
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Hmm...well we've established it raises estrogen, has laxative effects...is there anything else this miracle supplement can do for me you ask?

Well I am glad you asked...Glabra is cute renaming (as every ingredient is and the product itself) of Glycyrrhiza glabra, aka Licorice. Licorice you say? Yes, THE ultimate bodybuilding supplement. And I will quote:

"Licorice is also a mild laxative. Large doses of glycyrrhizinic acid and glycyrrhetinic acid in liquorice extract can lead to hypokalemia and serious increases in blood pressure, a syndrome known as apparent mineralocorticoid excess. These side effects stem from the inhibition of the enzyme 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (type 2) and subsequent increase in activity of cortisol on the kidney. 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase normally inactivates cortisol in the kidney; thus, licorice's inactivation of this enzyme makes the concentration of cortisol appear to increase. Cortisol acts at the same receptor as the hormone aldosterone in the kidney; thus, the effects mimic aldosterone excess, although aldosterone remains low or normal during licorice overdose. Cortisol does not actually increase either; however, its activity in the kidney effectively increases due to the disabling of this enzyme. To decrease the chances of these serious side effects, deglycyrrhizinated licorice (DGL) preparations are available.

Licorice affects the body's endocrine system. It can lower the amount of serum testosterone, but whether it affects the amount of free testosterone is unclear. A PubMed search for licorice AND testosterone will provide additional information."
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Well, cool, Licorice decrease testosterone, increases blood pressure and may increase catabolic hormones. Oh yeah, and again its a laxative.
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So lets tally up the results: we got elevated estrogen, decreased testosterone, increased cortisol, increased blood pressure, and 2 laxatives.

Lastly, there is one ingredient listed that, in fact, does not exist…so I can’t tell you what it is other than it is an herb. N.O. (sounds like Nitric Oxide – Buzz Word!) Olilicae. Sorry. Given the collective data one WHAT IS IN THERE, I wouldn’t hope for much.

Well the only thing of benefit I see here is the 50mg of Vitamin C (citric acid), which doesn't even meet the lowly RDA. Sweet formulation. Really.

Good luck to anyone who uses this. The supplement industry loves you.
 
vaya chorrada
lo has probado o algo?

va a ser que no , cuando quieras judgar una cosa, has de haberla probado.

Vas a poner un post de un foro comercial donde no hay mas que representantes de marcas, cuya funcion es crear guerras entre distintas marcas.

Como la guerra contra BSN... y la nueva guerra de PHS , que si tienen lo que dicen que si no....

YO si lo he probado y puedo opinar.

El que dijo veneno para el cuerpo... es mejor que antes de contestar te informes un poco.
 
vaya chorrada
lo has probado o algo?

va a ser que no , cuando quieras judgar una cosa, has de haberla probado.

Vas a poner un post de un foro comercial donde no hay mas que representantes de marcas, cuya funcion es crear guerras entre distintas marcas.

Como la guerra contra BSN... y la nueva guerra de PHS , que si tienen lo que dicen que si no....

YO si lo he probado y puedo opinar.

El que dijo veneno para el cuerpo... es mejor que antes de contestar te informes un poco.

La informacion que puse es solo la que he encontrado en internet, hay poca informacion.

No lo he probado y no se si en MI CUERPO vaya a funcionar, recordad que cada cuerpo responde diferente ante todo suplemento.

Leyendo la composicion de este producto, dudo mucho que tenga sustancias nocivas.

Kekofresh, podrias poner tu experiencia con el 17-HD
 
Y te basas en el nombre para deducir eso? :rolleyes:

por el nombre, y por lo que es: un fármaco que altera los niveles hormonales del cuerpo. Vamos, "saludable" en toda regla.

Antes de tomar cosas de este tipo, poneos en manos de un medico especialista en nutrición. Lo digo no para crear polémica, todo lo contrario, solamente que esteis alerta con estos productos que nos quieren meter por los ojos.
 
Menudo bocazas estas hecho!! _mmmmmm_:

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Dime que ingrediente ves que pueda ser perjudicial, entonces hablaras con propiedad y no como los periodistas casposos del corazon.


ya me conozco tus formas y tus modales y no pienso caer en tus provocaciones.

Un saludo.
 
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