isolation exercises

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junkfoodbad

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I know i should do compound exercises in general but i was wondering if there was any benefit to doing more than one isolation exercise that targets the same muscle, in the same workout.

I've seen people list their workouts and are doing both tricep extensions and skullcrushers in the same day. These are both isolation. Why not just increase the weight and do one or the other?
 
It hits the muscle from different angles. If you keep doing the same movement your muscle will be more fatigued. Generally you could do as many as you feel in order to fatigue your muscles enough. Just know the difference between a good workout and overkill.
 
Ok so for instance, if i do tricep extensions 3x10 at a certain weight but can only complete 8 of the last 10, should i even try another exercise on the triceps or should i assume that anymore will be over-exercising.
 
Do not think 2 isolation excercises per muscle group would be a overkill.

Like Champr23 correctly pointed out that both of these excercises hit the triceps from different angles.
 
well for my Push day, i did chest, triceps and calves. I did 2 isolation exercises for triceps but i was extremely fatigued when i was doing them. Mainly because I preexhausted my triceps beforehand on benchpresses, chest dips, shoulder presses...
 
Routine is as follows:

Rotate A and B on MWF

A:
bench press 3x10
seated shoulder press 3x10
skullcrushers 3x10
lunges 3x10
calf raise 3x10

B:
standing curls 3x10
bent-over dumbell rows 3x10
deadlifts 3x10
wrist curls 3x10
shrugs 3x10

Now, i know i can add exercises here, but each one of these i do to failure so, adding more isolation exercisies doesnt seem beneficial if ive already drained myself on one
 
junkfoodbad said:
Routine is as follows:

Rotate A and B on MWF

A:
bench press 3x10
seated shoulder press 3x10
skullcrushers 3x10
lunges 3x10
calf raise 3x10

B:
standing curls 3x10
bent-over dumbell rows 3x10
deadlifts 3x10
wrist curls 3x10
shrugs 3x10

Now, i know i can add exercises here, but each one of these i do to failure so, adding more isolation exercisies doesnt seem beneficial if ive already drained myself on one
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junkfoodbad, I am not an expert by any stretch of imagination, and I am sure one of the experts would suggest, let me say what I noticed...

Your workout A looks bit heavy esp. when you are do to failure.
Here is what you are doing in workout A
chest, triceps(twice bench+skull crushers), shoulders, quads and calfs
 
If you had some squats in A it would be much better. Put squats instead of lunges, and the rest is fine.

With B, is that the order you do them in? The curls are an isolation, they should go last! The deadlifts are pretty important, put them toward the beginning of your workout. Get in some pullups/chinups and you're set.
 
Ok The squats are pretty tricky. I have a very small bedroom in an apartment where i have all my equipment. Getting an olympic barbell on my neck is out of the question. Lunges are doable in the space available.

Again because of the apartment, cant install a chinup bar. Any other suggestions?

I notice my triceps are dead by the end of workout A but im assuming thats cause the first 3 exercises utilize them. Should i even bother doing skullcrushers? is it possible im overtraining them? A couple times, i havent been able to finish my final set.
 
junkfoodbad said:
Ok The squats are pretty tricky. I have a very small bedroom in an apartment where i have all my equipment. Getting an olympic barbell on my neck is out of the question. Lunges are doable in the space available.

Again because of the apartment, cant install a chinup bar. Any other suggestions?

I notice my triceps are dead by the end of workout A but im assuming thats cause the first 3 exercises utilize them. Should i even bother doing skullcrushers? is it possible im overtraining them? A couple times, i havent been able to finish my final set.
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Ah, ok. Well, you could eventually try front squats and hack squats in which you do not need a squat rack and the bar is not on your back.

Chin up bars install in doorways pretty easily actually.

Some tricep isolation is always good, but if you already worked them hard enough, you should be ok, of course it's up to you.
 
with bench press, shoulder press, and extensions, I can see why your triceps are burned out, especially always going to failure. you should NOT go to failure all the time. doing so taxes the central nervous system, and that affects recovery and your general mental attitude and energy levels.

most of this all depends on how long you've been training consistenty, your current fitness levels, etc. a new trainee doesn't need tons of isolation. a pro-bodybuilder doing this for a decade does.
 
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