Bulking up question

buckwheat05

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How lean should you get before switching from a mainly cardio structured workout to lifting heavy weights? I currently am doing cardio 6 days a week 50 minutes 3 days and 25 minutes 3 days which are the days that I lift. Right now I'm not really trying to advance quickly, I've probably increased my bench 15 pounds in 2 months. I'm mainly just trying to prevent loosing the muscle that I've got at this point in the process.
 
IMO, heavy weight lifting should be present WHILE you're losing weight in most cases.
 
IMO, heavy weight lifting should be present WHILE you're losing weight in most cases.

Wouldn't that sort of be redundant? It's a lot harder to 'lose weight' when you're gaining muscle, or is that only applicable to low-weight-high-rep lifting?

I'm about 30ish lbs from my target weight and I've started heavy lifting. Generally, my weight has stayed the same for 2 months, it's hard to lose weight because you need sufficient calories to gain muscle- so you tend to overdo it on some days.
 
Wouldn't that sort of be redundant? It's a lot harder to 'lose weight' when you're gaining muscle, or is that only applicable to low-weight-high-rep lifting?
I believe it's harder to gain muscle while you're losing weight. The reason for the heavy weight lifting is to try and retain as much muscle mass as possible. At least I believe that's what I've read around here.
 
Wouldn't that sort of be redundant? It's a lot harder to 'lose weight' when you're gaining muscle,

The goal of simply 'losing weight' is kind of silly, don't you think.

I mean, indirectly that is what happens when you focus on more important goals like better performance, looking good, better health, etc.

And losing weight doesn't necessarily = better performance, looking good, or better health.

Fat Lazy Guy is correct above. Heavy weight training sends optimal signaling to your body 'telling it' to maintain as much muscle mass as possible while being in a caloric deficit.

A caloric deficit is required if you're dieting, right?

Adding muscle is a very intensive process, energetically speaking. While dieting, you don't have adequate energy to maintain the tissue you currently have... hence the weight loss. By adding heavy (relative to your strength) weight lifting into the mix of things... you 'persuade' where that weight loss comes from, as in, you help sway your body into losing fat instead of muscle.

In my experience, not including things such as weight training and adequate protein are what cause most people to not be content with their bodies once they reach their goal weight.

or is that only applicable to low-weight-high-rep lifting?

Gaining muscle doesn't have much of anything to do with rep ranges. It has everything to do with sufficient intensity/overload, progression, volume and calories.

I'm about 30ish lbs from my target weight and I've started heavy lifting. Generally, my weight has stayed the same for 2 months, it's hard to lose weight because you need sufficient calories to gain muscle- so you tend to overdo it on some days.

Sorry, I'm replying as I read. With this statement, you make it evident that you understand the need to eat 'enough' to gain muscle.

But it also seems you believe the only benefit associated with weight training is adding muscle. It's not.

There are numerous benefits and the one that you need to be aware of in the context of this discussion is this: It doesn't have to build muscle, it can merely maintain it as discussed above.

You're going to have a hard to reaching a goal when you're shooting at two targets simultaneously.
 
Thanks very much both, those posts cleared up my misconceptions of weight lifting dramatically! :) Reading through 'em a few times, it seems evident that I was aiming for two goals at a time when I should have been focusing on one or the other.

I wasn't aware heavy lifting whilst in a caloric deficit helps maintain muscle, but that's a very valuable fact. I'll return to my -400 deficit and continue lifting, hopefully that will kick off my fat loss again. :biggrinjester:
 
I currently lift as much as I can but consuming 2000 calories a day really doesn't give me the energy to lift for more than a couple hours. I do consume whey protein pre and post work out to help with muscle maintenance. I would be happy stopping at 20 pounds above my goal weight if I was showing good muscle definition. I'm more focused on redoing the composition of my body completely than just loosing weight as I can't see myself ever being a small guy so I need to replace this fat with muscle. When I say heavy lifting I mean more along the lines of power lifting and body building.
 
Gaining muscle doesn't have much of anything to do with rep ranges. It has everything to do with sufficient intensity/overload, progression, volume and calories.

So do you feel I could focus my lifting on how much weight I'm lifting rather than how many reps I'm doing? Like do each lift until I'm tired rather than shooting for using a weight that I know I will have the stamina to get through x amount of reps?
 
I currently lift as much as I can but consuming 2000 calories a day really doesn't give me the energy to lift for more than a couple hours.

Couple hours per day?

Per week?

What?

I do consume whey protein pre and post work out to help with muscle maintenance.

Total protein is more important than pre/post.

Sure, there are benefits associated with pre/post workout protein intake but eating adequate protein over the course of the day is much more important for maintaining muscle.

I would be happy stopping at 20 pounds above my goal weight if I was showing good muscle definition.

Stopping what?

I'm more focused on redoing the composition of my body completely than just loosing weight

As is everyone, even if it is indirectly. Ask anyone, "Is your goal to be a lighter, still soft version of your former self?"

My bet is you won't find many 'no' answers.

as I can't see myself ever being a small guy so I need to replace this fat with muscle.

That's fine.

However, as stated above, if doing this simultaneously is your goal, that would be a problem.
 
So do you feel I could focus my lifting on how much weight I'm lifting rather than how many reps I'm doing?

As stated above, it's about adequate intensity and volume.

Focusing on a handful of sets in the 5-12 range will suffice.

Like do each lift until I'm tired

You don't want to be training to failure.
 
Couple hours per day?

Per week?

What?
I lift for 11/2 -2hrs 3 days a week.



Total protein is more important than pre/post.

Sure, there are benefits associated with pre/post workout protein intake but eating adequate protein over the course of the day is much more important for maintaining muscle.

I incorporate protein into every meal. I try and consume 1 gram for each pound I want to weigh. on lift days i probably consume about 180-190 grams of protein and about 100 grams on just cardio days.


Stopping what?
wight loss


However, as stated above, if doing this simultaneously is your goal, that would be a problem.
I do realize my focus right now needs to be on maintaining the muscle I have rather than building more.
 
That's a bit excessive.
Should I maybe just try to work each group of muscles once each session instead until I get out of this calorie deficit? Should I quit increasing my weight? I've lifted plenty when i was playing high school football but never while in a calorie deficit so this is new to me.

Here Is a normal lift day. I know it would be optimal to split lower body and upper body into different days but 1. I don't have that much time every day 2. there isn't really anymore equipment to use at my apartment complex's gym.

25 minutes of cardio (using a heart rate monitor)

rows 35 lb dumbbells 4x10
shoulder shrugs 35 lb dumbbells 4x10
squats 35 lb dumbbells 4x10
dumbbell tricep extensions 35 lb dumbbells 4x10
front raises 10 lb dumbbells 15x3
side raises 10 lb dumbbells 15x3
shoulder press 100 lbs 4x10 (machine)
flys 150 lbs 4x10 (machine)
rear delts 80 lbs 4x10 (machine)
push downs 90 lbs 4x10 (machine)
leg curls 130lbs 4x10 (machine)
leg extensions 130 lbs 4x10 (machine)
bench press 150 lbs 4x10 (machine)
curls 50 lbs 4x8 (machine)
calf raises 15x4
100 crunches
6 inches 2 minutes

I'd like to stay lifting this much as I really do enjoy lifting and don't feel like I've over exerted myself but if I should slow it down until after I've lost this weight and get out of this calorie deficit then I guess I'll have to.
 
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I actually think full body training is optimal while dieting. I'd ditch some of those isolation exercises and focus almost entirely on compound movements.
 
I actually think full body training is optimal while dieting. I'd ditch some of those isolation exercises and focus almost entirely on compound movements.

All right thanks. Back to my original question though... Would you recommend any particular body fat to ditch cardio (for the most part) and get into serious lifting?
 
Nope.

There is no way to link a particular bf% to a need to change your lifting parameters.

And you're lifting while you diet should be 'serious.'

When you decide to start 'bulking' is completely dependent on your own personal preferences.
 
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